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Written by Douglas Wilson   
Sunday, 22 August 2010 16:39

The Pilgrim's Progress is one of my perennial Sunday morning books, and this morning I was reading along, minding my own business, when one of the characters tried to deliver a confessional blow to my federal vision sympathies. He said, and I quote . . .

"For to talk of such things is most profitable; for by so doing, a man may get Knowledge of many things; as of the vanity of Earthly things, and the benefit of things Above . . . by this a man may learn the necessity of the New Birth; the insufficiency of our Works; the need of Christ's righteousness, &c. Besides, by this a man may learn what it is to repent, to believe, to pray, to suffer, or the like: By this also, a Man may learn what are the great Promises and consolations of the Gospel, to his own comfort. Farther, by this a Man may learn to refute false opinions, to vindicate the Truth, and also to instruct the Ignorant . . . Alas! the want of this is the cause that so few understand the need of Faith, and the necessity of a work of Grace in their soul, in order to Eternal Life; but ignorantly live in the works of the Law, by which a man can by no means obtain the Kingdom of Heaven . . . For a man can receive nothing, except it be given him from Heaven; all is of Grace, not of works: I could give you an hundred Scriptures for the confirmation of this."

Fortunately, another character came to my rescue, and said, just in the nick of time . . .

"Heavenly knowledge of these is the Gift of God; no man attaineth to them by human industry, or only by the talk of them."

So, then, three guesses as to who said what.



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elisabeth thunderberry  - James said ...'Heavenly Knowledge......."  Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:11 pm
i think i guessed wrong.
David L Parker  Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:25 pm
Talk and Faith, in that order... Googledotcom gets the credit.
jay niemeyer  Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:02 pm
Why don't those anti-FV guys just admit that the entire Church, through all of her sad and sordid history, has slogged about in the slough of heresy until the dawn of the 20th Century?
Doug Sowers  Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:11 pm
Your not playing fair Jay, you didn't guess! :( Since I am not a prolific reader like Douglas and the like, I have no idea, I wish I could call Steve Wedgeworth, LOL! I'll bet he'd know. Okay I'll guess Calvin. That's just a wild uneducated guess. Shooting a dart in the dark, so to speak.
jay niemeyer  Monday, August 23, 2010 5:40 pm
I ain't gonna guess neither, DS! :wink:

I had never heard of Wedgeworth until your post here. I took a gander...and I like his thinking! I think that some of his points about the 'cons' of FV are pretty fair as well.
Rob Steele  Monday, August 23, 2010 5:43 am
Nerdly and Poxface?
jay niemeyer  Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:16 pm
Uh oh, here's another quote from that scourge of orthodoxy himself, Dr. Jonathan Edwards.
I just know that he was a proto-FV guy.

There is just the same reason for those commands of earnest care, and laborious endeavors for perseverance, and threatenings of defection that are in the Word of God, notwithstanding its being certain that all that have true grace shall persevere; as there is for earnest endeavors after godliness, and to make our calling and election sure, notwithstanding that all that are elected shall undoubtedly be saved. For as the case with reference to this is the same, decree or no decree, it's so, that everyone that believes shall be saved, and he that believes not shall be damned; they that will not live godly loves do find out for themselves that they are not elected; they that will live it have found out for themselves that they are. So it is here: he that to his utmost endeavors to persevere in ways of obedience finds out that his obedience and righteousness is true, and he that does not discovers that 'tis false. In this respect it is all one, whether he that is once righteous must be so always or no; there is not at all the less diligence is necessary for that, yea, necessary in order to salvation.