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Thinking Straight - Creation and Food
Written by Douglas Wilson   
Sunday, 28 February 2010 15:53

Michael Pollan was one of those interviewed for Food, Inc., and while I differ with the whole project, he really seemed to me to be among the sane ones. Couple that with the fact that his book, The Omnivore's Dilemma, is well spoken of, I thought I should do a series of posts reacting to his arguments. (Although, if his introduction is anything to go on, I suspect that the real differences are in the premises, not in the arguments.) At any rate, let me begin by quoting him with partial approval. He referred to the "American paradox -- that is, a notably unhealthy people obsessed by the idea of eating heathily" (p. 3). I want to argue that this is not just an odd juxtaposition, but there is a deep connection between the two. A lesser theme in my writing on this topic is "lighten up, everybody." Just in passing, the disagreement here is that he seems to be confusing unfit with unhealthy.

Pollan points to something I have thought about quite often over the years. As the human race spread out from the region of Eden, they had to eat as they went. And this meant a great deal of intrepid experimentation. Who was the first to fry an oyster? Who was the first to try that mushroom, and then this one? Periodically, one of the fellows would keel over, and the rest of humanity would look at one another and say, "Well. Now we know."

But in order to keep track of this cause and effect business, you have to approach it with the simplicity of the Neanderthal. You eat a particular thing and die within 24 hours. Everybody else takes notes. But modern man has lost his grip on the nature of cause and effect, and likes to do statistical analysis. Modern man is too clever by half. This confusion results in us living 40 years longer than our great grandfathers did, being fully convinced the entire while that we are being poisoned to death. Maybe it is homeopathic poison. For some reason, Pollan tips his hat to this bizarre approach.

"The cornucopia of the American supermarket has thrown us back on a bewildering food landscape where we once again have to worry that some of those tasty-looking morsels might kill us. (Perhaps not as quickly as a poisonous mushroom, but just as surely.)" (pp. 4-5).

 

Just as surely? Poisoned people in modern times should not live twice as long as the unpoisoned ones in days of yore. Or so it seems to me.

The second thing I would like to note from the introduction illustrates the controlling nature of our assumptions.

"One of the themes of this book is that the industrial revolution of the food chain, dating to the close of World War II, has actually changed the fundamental rules of this game. Industrial agriculture has supplanted a complete reliance on the sun for our calories with something new under the sun: a food chain that draws much of its energy from fossil fuels instead" (p. 7).

My initial response to this would be "cool." What a great use of fossil fuel. But the assumption here is that getting energy from the ground to feed people is bad, or at least unnatural. Fossil fuels are "finite and irreplaceable" (p. 7), and so Pollan argues against using them the way we are doing.

But why? First, we don't know that they are irreplaceable, but if they are, we can then figure out some other energy source to use to drive our farm equipment. The hidden assumption that Pollan appeals to is that we "ought" to be using energy from the sun to grow our food, and that we "ought not" to be fooling around with other stuff. But why?

Pollan is advancing his agenda in an era when numerous people simply "know" this. That means that Pollan can use it to get traction. He can reason from this as a premise because many of his readers will happily grant that premise. But I don't want to. What would be wrong, in principle, with combines that are driven by small nuclear reactors? Then we would be getting agricultural energy from the atom, not from fossil fuels, but still not from the sun. Did God ever tell us not to do that?

And closer to home, did He ever say that it would be better for hundreds of thousands of people to die of starvation in the Far East than for us to abandon the sun as the source of all our agricultural energy? As with many other worldview arguments, the real business here concerns where your feet are, what you are standing on, and not necessarily what you say.



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Tammy  - Life expectancy and reduced infant mortality  Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:34 pm
"Reduced infant mortality, more than any single contributing factor, has been responsible for the spectacular rise in American life expectancy. The reason is simple: for all of the other factors on the CDC’s list to have any effect, a baby must survive to childhood."

http://www.livescience.com/health/060523_infant_mortality.html
Tammy  - Graph demonstrating infant mortality  Monday, March 01, 2010 5:46 am
http://www.pbs.org/fmc/timeline/images/1infantmort.jpg
oldfatslow  - re: Life expectancy and reduced infant mortality  Monday, March 01, 2010 3:20 am
Tammy wrote:
"Reduced infant mortality,


Yes, thank God for the improved
agricultural and medical
technologies that have made
this possible.

ofs
Tammy  - Increased life expectancy and hygiene  Monday, March 01, 2010 5:33 am
http://www.scienceinthebox.com/en_UK/research/eraofpers_en.html

"Personal hygiene blossomed around 1915. The proportion of urban homes served by "safe" water distribution systems increased. Soap manufacture jumped dramatically, bathrooms and laundries were constructed and people were encouraged to wash frequently, both their bodies and their clothes. Washing brought the concentrations of microorganisms below a dangerous level. Boiling and detergent uses revolutionised laundering.

Today, we have improved hygiene with a large safety factor built in. Overall, the effects are impressive: Life expectancy has increased nearly 40% while infant mortality rates show a 60% decline from 1950 to 1995.

Simple personal hygiene caused the silent victory of public health in the pre-disinfectant era and contributed significantly to reducing disease incidence.
The Age of Personal Hygiene
A recent analysis of historical data by Professor V. W. Greene, University of Minnesota in the United States, suggests that the dramatic decrease in global infant mortality, from 179 of 1,000 in 1850 to 50 of 1,000 in 1940, can be attributed to a temporal association between disease incidence and personal hygiene status. Analysis of a common factor - cleanliness level as reflected by soap utilisation - remains a consistent health determinator.

Data from 120 countries show that when soap is used for personal cleanliness and laundering, the graded consumption increase from 8 kg/capita is closely related to a decrease in infant mortality.

Then came the age of disinfectants. Together with soap, these have had a lasting effect on us.

These data indicate an evidence of synergy and provide a rationale for combining disinfectants with cleaners to help achieve and maintain hygienic living conditions. However, a disinfectant isn't necessarily an aggressive "bomb" (e.g., the classical harsh hospital grade disinfectants such as phenols) with an alarmingly low human and environmental safety profile, especially if it is meant for household use where the microbial load is lower than that of a hospital. "
Tammy  - more on hygiene and life expectancy  Monday, March 01, 2010 5:37 am
http://www.institut.veolia.org/en/cahiers/sustainable-development-knowledge/education-sustainable/Fineberg.aspx

"Progress achieved in the provision and sanitation of water in Europe since the 19th Century has made it possible to radically increase life expectancy. However, unlike developed industrial countries, in developing countries lack of investment in hygiene is still one of the moremost important health risk factors.

To explain recent improvements in the quality of life in the West, we must return to the 19th Century, when the hygiene revolution began. More specifically, attention should be given to progress in the field of sanitation since that time.

Life expectancy remained stable during the first part of the 19th Century. However, mid century, a new event occurred, that is that pure water was first provided to the cities in the Lyons region (second largest city in France situated in the south-east part of the country). Thus, around 1850, clean water became abundant. Although there was some progress, the situation in Paris was not so favourable.

However, progress in Paris only became significant in the last twenty years of the century. It was then that new pumps along the Seine made it possible to double the provision of water. Furthermore, the number of sewers increased significantly; comparing the situation in 1870 to the one in 1900, the number of sewers had more than doubled during that period of time. Finally, in Marseilles (south of France by the Mediterranean sea), the situation only improved in 1890, when a double sewerage system was installed. Around 1900, life expectancy increased considerably over the whole of France. In fact, at that time, Paris was considered to be the cleanest city in the world.

In developed countries, it is possible to say that progress in life expectancy only became significant once the provision of water and sanitation systems had been completed in the principal towns."
oldfatslow  - re: more on hygiene and life expectancy  Monday, March 01, 2010 7:21 am
Don't forget wire
mesh screens
and insecticides
for destroying or
reducing the impact
of disease carrying
insects. Malaria
and yellow fever
pretty much don't
exist in America
thanks to these
non-natural
innovations.

ofs
Jane Dunsworth  Monday, March 01, 2010 8:23 am
It's irrelevant what the underlying cause of increased life expectancy is. The point is, if we were actually being poisoned, we'd drop over dead rather than living longer no matter what else was going on. "Poison" kills you in the face of improved nutrition, sanitation, and hygiene. No matter how healthy you are, if you drink bleach, you don't see your next birthday. Whatever the drawbacks of some modern food technologies, if they aren't killing us faster than we were dying before, then they're not poisons.
Tammy  - Dropping over dead not necessary  Monday, March 01, 2010 9:23 am
Just because people do not drop over dead immediately, doesn't mean that they are not being "poisoned" as you called it. Slowly deteriorating health due to the foods we eat and the exposures to toxins we face are real.

Are people healthier, or are they just surviving with the use of more and more drugs?

Chronic disease increased throughout the 20th century.

Autism, cancer, diabetes, asthma and more are all increasing. Cancer is appearing in younger people than in the past. This is not a sign of a healthier society.

What is causing the increase of chronic disease?
Why are more and more children being diagnosed with autism?
Why doesn't autism exist in the Amish population?

Lifestyle (food choices) as well as exposure to toxins all play a role in the increase of chronic disease.

http://mpkb.org/doku.php/home:pathogenesis:epidemiology

"In 2000, approximately 125 million Americans (45% of the population) had chronic conditions and 61 million (21% of the population) had multiple chronic conditions."

"In 2004, almost half of all Americans, or 133 million people, live with a chronic condition. … People with chronic conditions account for 83 percent of health care spending and those with five or more chronic conditions have an average of almost fifteen physician visits and fill over 50 prescriptions in a year."

More on the increase of chronic disease.
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/2_background/en/index.html
Tammy  - Not living longer  Monday, March 01, 2010 9:28 am
We aren't living longer, just more children survive infancy, due to better living conditions (like heat) and hygiene. Our ancestors did not drop over dead in their 40's and 30's just because that was the "average life expectancy." That average life expectancy included all the babies that died before their first birthdays. Example: Numbers are age lived to. 80 + 70 + 60 + 5 + 1 + 2= 218 Average = 36 1/3 As you can see, you can have many people living into old age, and still have a low life expectancy if many also died when very young.
Jane Dunsworth  Monday, March 01, 2010 9:56 am
It's good to clarify the real significance of life expectancy, about which I was already informed, but I have a really hard time believing "we're not living any longer." Living to 90 used to be rare, now it's commonplace. Living to 100 used to be next to unheard of, now it seems every nursing home has at least one centenarian most of the time. My grandmother (1899-1980) believed that someone who made it to 70 had gotten old and lived out a full lifespan. Now people are considered dying young if they don't make it at least to 75 or 80. I am not saying whichr of those cultural attitudes is more correct, but rather that they reflect the reality that people commonly live to older ages at a greater rate than even 30 years ago.

At any rate, we're just going to disagree on the definition of poison. Anything will kill you in the wrong amounts, and it is a non-statement to point out that some things are better for your body than others. But poison inevitably and directly kills. Things that people commonly consume while living to or beyond their life expectancy at the time they begin consuming it are not poisons. That does not mean they are all good for you, but words mean things, and "poison" is something that inevitably kills, not something that is less than optimal for health. It's fine to argue that some things are not good for us, but words mean things, and "poison" doesn't mean "something that isn't really good for you."
Tammy  - Poison not used by me.  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:03 am
I didn't use the word poison. You did.

My grandmothers died at 87 & 88. My great-grandmothers lived till 89 & 94. My mother is only 70 and will be dead soon due to smoking and other bad lifestyle choices. Her mother and grandmothers lived a very healthy life into their late 80's and early 90's. Had my mother made different choices, she wouldn't have needed a lung removed for lung cancer which has now spread and is receiving chemo for the new cancer that isn't operable.
Tammy  - Lead poisoning  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:07 am
Lead & mercury poisoning does not immediately kill, but causes chronic health conditions that will eventually kill.

Lead poisoning usually does not cause symptoms until the level of lead in your blood is very high. Most lead poisoning comes from low levels of exposure over a long period of time. The major organ systems affected are the central nervous system , digestive tract , and the renal system (urinary tract) .

Chronic lead exposure may cause the following symptoms.

http://children.webmd.com/tc/lead-poisoning-symptoms

General physical symptoms in children and adults (usually seen when lead poisoning levels are severe)
Stomachaches, cramping, constipation, or diarrhea
Nausea, vomiting
Persistent, unexplained fatigue
Headache
Muscle weakness
Jane Dunsworth  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:01 am
BTW, increased life expectancy increases the incidence of chronic and acute diseases of all kinds. If you don't make it past your first bout of polio, you won't develop Type II diabetes. If you die of a heart attack at 60, you won't develop lung cancer at 80. So statistics have to be taken together. Of course chronic disease is on the rise -- we're living long enough to get sick!

Autism remains a mystery to everyone. It might be food related...or it might not. The Amish are genetically as well as culturally isolated, so there are all kinds of possibilities as to why they (apparently) have no autism among them. But I also suspect it's far more likely that an English kid with a relatively minor presentation of a neurological disorder would be diagnosed and reported than an Amish one.
Tammy  - Always people who lived long  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:19 am
But, the point is that those who lived long in the past were not suffering from these chronic diseases. As I pointed out, the life expectancy only increased because more people survive babyhood.

Although here in America, our infant mortality rate has gone up lately.

Chronic disease is increasing and continues to increase.
Rob Steele  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:04 am
Can we find a definition of "poison" that we all agree on? It might be hard given that you can overdose on anything. Ever hear of water poisoning?
Tammy  - Lead poisoning  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:08 am
Lead & mercury poisoning does not immediately kill, but causes chronic health conditions that will eventually kill.

Lead poisoning usually does not cause symptoms until the level of lead in your blood is very high. Most lead poisoning comes from low levels of exposure over a long period of time. The major organ systems affected are the central nervous system , digestive tract , and the renal system (urinary tract) .

Chronic lead exposure may cause the following symptoms.

http://children.webmd.com/tc/lead-poisoning-symptoms

General physical symptoms in children and adults (usually seen when lead poisoning levels are severe)
Stomachaches, cramping, constipation, or diarrhea
Nausea, vomiting
Persistent, unexplained fatigue
Headache
Muscle weakness

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lead-poisoning/FL00068/DSECTION=symptoms
Tammy  Monday, March 01, 2010 10:12 am
mercury poisoning symptoms

http://www.medicinenet.com/mercury_poisoning/page2.htm
Joshua Gibbs  - Other health issues?  Monday, March 01, 2010 11:04 am
Pr. Wilson, given what you've written in this series on food, do you stand by past claims that, on aesthetic grounds as well as matters of health, cigarettes are to be avoided and yet cigars and pipes are not?
DHammer  - You Go Girl!  Monday, March 01, 2010 12:02 pm
Good job Tammy! You've added lots of clear thinking and facts for this discussion.
Jane Dunsworth  Monday, March 01, 2010 12:32 pm
Sorry, Tammy, I used the word "poison" because its (mis)use was one of the main points of the original post, to which I thought you were objecting. I must have misunderstood one of your points.

But as for lead and mercury, taking them in large enough amounts WILL cause immediate death. High fructose corn syrup, for example, (much as I loathe it) will not do this in any amount that is physically possible to consume.

And I disagree that the life expectancy *only* increased because child mortality decreased. Yes, statistically because of the math, that will always be the biggest driving factor in life expectancy itself, but I think that it is inarguable that a higher percentage of people who survive childhood are living longer in total than ever before.
Remy  - Other Things On the Rise  Monday, March 01, 2010 1:20 pm
Other things on the rise is grant money for disease research. Because of this there has been a widening of the definitions for diseases like autism, aids, and other maladies. Citing stats that claim a rise in certain diseases can be misleading.
Ryan Buffa  Monday, March 01, 2010 2:12 pm
I have read, "The Omnivore's Dilemma", and am glad to see you critiquing it here. Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts on the book.


oldfatslow  - re: Other Things On the Rise  Monday, March 01, 2010 2:13 pm
Remy wrote:
Other things on the rise is grant money for disease research.


Remy,

That's known as
the Witch Picker
Effect. You pay
someone to pick
witches and they'll
never run short of
witches to pick.

ofs
Valerie (Kyriosity)  Monday, March 01, 2010 2:44 pm
"A lesser theme in my writing on this topic is 'lighten up, everybody.'"

Ah...so your agenda is weight loss, eh?
Amanda Patchin  - Laughing  Monday, March 01, 2010 3:17 pm
Oh Valerie! Where would the Body of Christ be without you?
Valerie (Kyriosity)  Monday, March 01, 2010 3:38 pm
Oh, Amanda. It would be a good deal farther along the path to sanctification without me.
Rob Steele  - For Valerie  Monday, March 01, 2010 3:59 pm
http://www.instantrimshot.com/

You earned it.
Douglas Wilson  - Cigs  Monday, March 01, 2010 7:05 pm
Josh, good question. I have urged Christians to avoid cigarettes for more reasons than the two you mention. Health and aesthetics are part of it, but the biggest issue for me there is the self control/addiction issue. And mutatis mutandis I am happy to apply the same principles across the board to both food and tobacco. People shouldn't smoke ugly and they shouldn't eat ugly. They shouldn't hurt themselves with tobacco and they shouldn't harm themselves with food. And they shouldn't consume any foodstuffs in quantities that result them getting the shakes if they don't get more of that particular food right now. And they most certainly shouldn't smoke a pack a day in between meals of eating organic.
Joshua Gibbs  Monday, March 01, 2010 7:17 pm
Thanks for this reply. I appreciate your issue with cigarettes being primarily oriented around self-control and the state a person of any addiction is put under when separated from that thing. Well and good. At the same time, it seems you grant aesthetics and health issues are "part of" you objection to cigarettes. Would you, along those same lines, also claim to have a partial objection to a McNasty from McDonalds? If the issue of aesthetics and health partially holds for cigarettes, does it partially for ugly foods as well?
Douglas Wilson  - Absolutely  Monday, March 01, 2010 8:49 pm
Josh, that's right. No difference in principle. But before we issue the decrees on food, I want to have the debate first. Aesthetic superiority should not simply be assumed, and the health issues should not be simply asserted. That is actually what I am wanting to see result from these posts -- many Christians are acting as though certain issues are settled when I don't believe they are settled at all.

But once the debate has been resolved, I agree with the principle. People should not do with food what is objectionable when done with cigarettes. If some is wrongfully dependent on nicotine, then it is the same problem if they are dependent in the same way on a sugar rush from Circle K. If someone is a poor steward for giving himself lung cancer, then he is also a poor steward for giving himself high cholesterol heart disease. If someone is to be censured for the aesthetic problems with having a James Dean droopy cigarette, then we can also say something about the ugly burger, or that slab of tofu.