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Political Dualism - Dualism Is Bad JuJu
Written by Douglas Wilson   
Sunday, 10 October 2010 19:27

Right around the seven minute mark of this video, Kevin DeYoung says something that I would like to take note of. There are many good things said in the course of this clip, especially about the necessity of basic gospel proclamation, and basic disciple-making. That really is foundational. It is fundamental.

But I think Kevin leaves something important out of his statement of the Great Commission. The commission is not to "make disciples" in our modern individualistic sense. That is included, and amen to it. But the commission as the Lord worded it says that we are to disciple the nations. To say that cultural transformation is not part of this is to completely overlook the direct object of that verb. We are to disciple the ethnoi, their hearts, souls, and minds, but also their court systems, and their film industries, and their politics, and their art studios, and their publishing industries. This certainly means discipling their citizens, and we start with that. But it is just the beginning.

If the point of this video is to start with personal evangelism, then absolutely. If the point is to head off those who want to have a bunch of missional stuff that by-passes gospel declaration, then great. But when we make individual disciples, and we move on to the institutional structures of their cultures and societies, we are not changing the subject. We are not moving on to another area. We are not abandoning the Great Commission. We are just getting started.



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Jose  Monday, October 11, 2010 2:42 am
If we are to disciple the nations, then, how do we baptize them as nations? Is the text talking first about nations, and then we obey that by individual baptism?
Thank you.
Kamilla  Monday, October 11, 2010 5:53 am
Doug,

Exactly so. In a recent discussion about abortion and laws and Colorado's personhood amendment (which is on the ballot again this year), someone pointed out that the law is a moral teacher.

I think all too often we forget that.

Kamilla
Justin Taylor  Monday, October 11, 2010 6:02 pm
Doug,

How do you understand "baptizing" to function as a modifier of "making disciples"?

JT
Oscar A. Fernandez  - "baptizing"  Monday, October 11, 2010 7:11 pm
Justin that's an excellent question. Baptizing would place the empahsis back on the simplicity of proclaiming the Gospel to individual souls among the nations. Or, did I misunderstand you?
Zachary Seymour  Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:26 am
Doug,

This is interesting what you are saying, and I guess I agree - namely that cultural engagement is necessary in a wider sense than just individual evangelism.

However, the followup words "baptizing them" very strongly indicate to me an individual emphasis rather than a wider cultural one.

I don't think you intended this, but it almost seems that you downplay the role that individual transformations will have on the wider culture just by virtue of the transformed subjects being culture makers. I just don't necessarily see the difference between discipling individuals and changing culture.

Zachary
Jeremy Larson  Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:56 am
Baptizing a nation isn't impossible (Is. 52:15).