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Culture and Politics - Obama Nation Building
Written by Douglas Wilson   
Thursday, 04 October 2012 08:21

I TIVOed the debate last night, and then hopped my way through it, like it was an ankle deep muddy stream. I got enough to get a decent feel for it, without subjecting my sanctification to the blah blah parts.
So here are just a few random observations, which I would ask all to take cum grano salis.

First, it seems clear that this is one of those debates which will take on a life and meaning of its own, independent of the actual performance on stage. During the debate, I thought Romney was more confident, affable, informed, etc. but Obama seemed generally okay. The talking heads afterwards -- for about ten minutes -- seemed to spin it in roughly the same way. (When talking heads spin, that would make them spinning heads, but that image might take us in another direction.) But when the Twitterverse was factored in, along with the morning after analyses, from both left and right, the consensus appears to have coalesced around the conviction that Romney buttered the stage with Obama. And so, these events being what they are, that seems to have been what happened. But whether it happened or not, that is certainly what it now means.

Second, it struck me that Romney is not as vulnerable on Romneycare (and such things) in this general election as I thought he was going to be. Consistent attacks on his state-level statism are certainly possible from the right, but it is looking as though Obama can't mount an attack there. To do that, he would have to understand the love of liberty that motivates such critiques, which he clearly does not. Romney can deflect such questions with appeals to "process," "bi-partisanship" and "state-level" action, and Obama doesn't have anything to say -- because had he been in the Massachusetts legislature, he would have been a participant. There are plenty of rocks to throw, but they are all on the other side of Romney where Obama can't get at them to pick them up.

 

This is related to the third thing. One of the things that may have thrown Obama is that Romney tacked to the center in the debate. Jonah Goldberg concluded his observations with this caution, the last sentence of which I would like to highlight:

"And yet, we should keep in mind that most of his effective moments came when he distanced himself from the base of his party and struck a decidedly moderate, centrist, position. Personally, given the stakes and the state of his campaign, that doesn’t bother me very much. But, once again, we can’t say we weren’t warned."

Those Christians who are supporting Romney need to do so in such a way that takes this caution, chisels it in granite, and sets it up as an impromptu memento for themselves in the Washington Mall. Support for Romney can only be justified (to the extent it can be) if Romney feels betrayed by his base, his support, his mandate-creators, on the second day of his administration. But if his supporters feel betrayed by him nine months into it, then we have ourselves one more instance of Lucy and the football. In other words, don't say you weren't warned.



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Matt Weber  Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:50 am
Conservatives need to decide what it is they want. If they just want to win the election and defeat Obama, then Romneyish centrism is the best strategy. Obama is weakest on his actual record, especially the economy, so the Republican candidate could position themselves as Romney did last night--as a more competent executive opposed to the sloppiness of the incumbent, but preserving the basic centrist paradigm. This is not very exciting for conservatives, even National Review types like Goldberg, but it can win elections.

If conservatives have something longer term in mind, like shifting the national conversation to the right, then they could take a Goldwater approach. A serious conservative candidate--assuming there are any palatable ones (the primary cycle gave no comfort on that front)--cannot win a national election today, but could in a Ron Paul-esque fashion shift the terms of debate and force the Democrats to acknowledge the existence of conservative ideas. Over time, some people would be swayed and the Republicans would to some degree be viewed as a party with actual ideas. But this election would be a loss...there simply aren't enough conservatives in America to elect a conservative.
Rob Steele  Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:25 am
My sanctification not being so robust I didn't even dip a toe in. I read all the after action reports though and noticed the same line from Jonah Goldberg and thought "How Wilsonian."
Will S  Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 am
I watched the whole debate. I thought Romney was clearly stylistically superior. He is probably smarter and certainly more trained and prepared.

But I think this debate will hurt Romney among those who really watched it for content. Not because Obama had good content (he didn't) but because Romney effectively - with passion and confidence - established himself as a little more cautious version of Obama. Tax cuts? Not too much. Spending cuts? Only limited cases and nothing that will hurt. Role of government? Big but not quite as big as Obama says. Nothing on abortion. Nothing on homosexuality.

Why should we kick Obama out? To get Obama light instead of Obama genuine draft. Yeah! Let's all go volunteer and man the call centers!
Tim Etherington  Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:58 am
Being a moderate (right) independent, I was glad to see Romney take a stand where he did. He wasn't doing a very convincing job at faking being a conservative. He looked more authentic because I think he was.

Obama seemed to be off his game. He's a better and smarter politician than he appeared to be last night. I'm not sure what that was about.

One thing that stood out for me was the question about the role of government. Obama starts talking about education. Okay. Not the first thing I would think of but okay.

Romney turned around and pointed to the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. A tip of the hat to the Tea Party and Ron Paul supporters I guess but the net effect for me was to highlight where Obama starts when it comes to the government. He starts with what the government can do for you instead of going to the charter documents and asking what our government is authorized to do.

No guarantee that Romney means what he says or will stick to it if he does, but the exchange was telling for me.

In the end I began to feel like I could theoretically vote for Romney as I'm fishing about looking who to use to vote against Obama. Can't wait to see how this election goes.
Melody  Friday, October 05, 2012 5:37 am
Pastor Wilson, I think you underestimate us conservatives in our relationship with Romney. I exist in a very conservative activist environment and we all know and have known that Romney is not a conservative. At the same time, we would like to help to slow down the socialist slide of our government. To that end we are pulling as hard as we can on the Romney side of the rope with the hope that during a 4 our 8 year run our prayers for a repentant nation will be answered.
Daniel Alders  Friday, October 05, 2012 11:40 am
The key here is that last paragraph, which I really appreciate, Pastor Wilson.

We shouldn't be electing Romney because we think he's a decent candidate, or because we think he is taking the right stance and he's not going to flip-flop again. Because he will. We should be looking at the November election as an opportunity to oust Obama, and then starting on November 7th, begin working on the next step - getting someone more conservative than Romney in the White House. That's the only way we're honestly going to make any headway.
JP1  Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:50 am
Quote:
Those Christians who are supporting Romney need to do so in such a way that takes this caution, chisels it in granite, and sets it up as an impromptu memento for themselves in the Washington Mall. Support for Romney can only be justified (to the extent it can be) if Romney feels betrayed by his base, his support, his mandate-creators, on the second day of his administration. But if his supporters feel betrayed by him nine months into it, then we have ourselves one more instance of Lucy and the football. In other words, don't say you weren't warned.



....and those Christians supporting the Re-Election of Barack Obama by refusing to participate and/or a pointless throw-away vote over replacing Obama with Romney can't say they weren't warned.
Derrick  - re:  Saturday, October 06, 2012 5:41 pm
JP1 wrote:

....and those Christians supporting the Re-Election of Barack Obama by refusing to participate and/or a pointless throw-away vote over replacing Obama with Romney can't say they weren't warned.


This "voting for the enemy" argument commits the fallacy of circular reasoning; it presupposes the very pragmatism that it is supposed to support/prove. The argument is therefore invalid. And for those who reject the humanist theory of pragmatism for the biblical view, there is no claim you can make about the supposed horrors of Obama that can intimidate us. So this warning falls flat.
JP1  Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:04 pm
Its not humanism or 'pragmatism', its basic Math and Logic. Either Romney or Obama will be President the next 4 years, this we know. We are all either helping to elect 1 of the 2 whether with direct votes, not-voting or voting for throw away votes.
Derrick  Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:36 am
This argument isn't basic math or logic because it requires several assumptions that you don't seem to realize you're making. Before your analysis even gets going, your first and most important weed-out question is "Who has a statistically meaningful chance to win?" (e.g., "Either Romney or Obama will be President the next 4 years, this we know.") This is what allows you to consider only 2 options. At this point, principles are not relevant or taken into consideration. This is the very definition of pragmatism. Then, of the 2 candidates that are left, your analysis is completely focused on perceived results (i.e., consequences), and it is those results, and only those results, that provide argumentative force to justify your conclusion (e.g., if we vote for X, this will result in Y, and it is this Y that is primarily important here). Once again, principles are not relevant.

From beginning to end, your entire analysis is based on the perceived consequences of certain causes. This makes your argument a completely consequentialist argument. In other words, pragmatism. The ends, and only the ends, are worth considering and it is those that are used to justify the means. Moreover, this whole process (1) presupposes that a principled view is wrong because the perceived results are more important, and (2) presupposes that I have some default responsibility to vote according to the perceived results and therefore are partially responsible for them (otherwise, I wouldn't have any responsibility for -- wouldn't be "helping to elect" -- anyone). If my view is correct, then both of these assumptions, along with the entire methodological focus on results, are false and the argument falls completely flat. Thus, from beginning to end and for several reasons, this argument presupposes the very view that it is supposed to prove. This is a clear example of begging the question, and re: basic logic, this is fallacious. This argument therefore doesn't help you at all.

There are other consequentialist theories of behavior of course (e.g., utilitarianism), but the above argument is basic, standard pragmatism. And like all other consequentialism views, it is indeed a form of humanism since it was generated by man independent of God's word (indeed, in opposition to it) and its justification comes from the consequences to man. The Bible teaches no such thing. The perceived consequences do not and cannot justify our actions. Such justification comes from our fidelity to God's word.
Eric Stampher  Friday, October 19, 2012 4:16 am
Bravo Derrick. I heard Dennis Prager yesterday chastise the principled nonRomney conservative vote as selfish.