Reductio Ad Infernum | Sex and Culture

Written by Douglas Wilson

Friday, 02 November 2012 15:56

A college in Washington is allowing a man who thinks he is a woman (where? down in his heart!) to make free use of the women's locker room. So although he is a male, his internal confusions qualify him as one of those T things that the progressives love to go on about when they are talking about GLBTQ issues. But that list of letters is only going to grow, along with the consternation of the regular girls in the locker room. What about screwers of pooches (SoP)? What about foot fetishists (FF)? I think we need to get the UN in here to sort this out.

Will there be outrage over this? Well, probably . . . directed at me for trying to reach out to the SoP community. But these are times that call for a courage that is willing to be lonely and kind of out there. Think of it as practicing for the outer darkness.

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elisabeth thunderberry - I have TheJoy Joy Deep down in my heart!

Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:31 am

Yes, these folks ARE not nuetral....I have personally witnessed their vitiorl and hate towards christian....they will stalk and hunt down christians to foster their lusts...they are filled with every form of greed and hatred is on the top of the list.

Frank Turk

Saturday, November 03, 2012 5:01 am

I can remember when SoP meant "Standard Operating Procedure".

Maybe it still does.

Arwen B. - Which college... ah. THAT one.

Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:12 pm

I cannot say that I'm surprised that it is Evergreen College leading the way in this: they are the institution that holds events where students are encouraged to identify themselves as something other than male or female. If I remember correctly, there may be a sliding scale involved, and "gender-neutral" pronouns other than "it".

Eric the Red

Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:05 pm

For once, Doug has written a post about the culture wars in which I agree with him about the specific case. I cannot help, however, but point out that this college's stupid decision is predicated on having a stark black-and-white view of the world, rather than the more nuanced, case-by-case analysis I was urging on the earlier abortion thread.

It is possible to say that in general transgendered people should not be discriminated against while at the same time recognizing that someone with male genitalia has no place being naked in a women's locker room used by high school girls, because accepting a nuanced world allows one to look at things case by case. And, as I said on the earlier abortion thread, it is possible to generally respect human life even while recognizing that a zygote has not yet reached the status of "person". It's called nuance, and you'd be amazed at how many terrible results it allows one to avoid.

Jared Leonard

Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Here we go again, Eric. It’s funny that you think Evergreen College’s “stupid decision is predicated on having a stark black-and-white view of the world”. Clearly their view of the world is nuanced enough for them to circumvent indecent exposure laws. It’s nuanced enough for the college to protect a man’s use of the women’s locker room on account of their non-discrimination policy. One would think if the college’s decision was predicated on having a stark black-and-white view of the world then it wouldn’t matter if the man wants to be treated as a woman, or identifies himself as a woman, because clearly that’s not what he is.

Yes, this nuance you speak so highly of seems to be one of the more useful tools in the toolbox of those who want to justify actions they know are wrong. You say we’d be amazed at how many terrible results it allows us to avoid but I’d say the exact opposite is true. And since we’re on the topic of terrible results with regards to nuance, wherever did you go in our discussion of abortion? It’s at the link below if you want to continue preaching the virtues of nuance.

http://www.dougwils.com/Sex-and-Culture/ghoulish-gotcha.html

Eric the Red

Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:01 am

Jared, I stopped commenting on the abortion thread because you and I were just repeating ourselves and I didn't see the point of continuing. If you really, really want me to say again what I already said, so that you can say again what you already said, I suppose we can do that.

The stark, black-and-white view of the world is that one should not discriminate against the transgendered no matter what, just as the stark, black-and-white view of the world is that a zygote is a human person with the full panoply of human rights from the moment of conception, no matter what. In the case of the former, we have anatomic males naked in high school girls' locker rooms; in the case of the latter, we have severely deformed babies brought into the world so they can suffer in agony for a few days before dying, at a cost to the medical care industry of several hundred thousand dollars. Neither of those are salutary results.

Nuance, however, allows us to look at the concept of rights in conflict -- what do you do when you have two people with conflicting interests whose rights are in conflict? Rather than taking an absolute approach that says the zygote/tranny always win, you can acknowledge that there are other people who have interests too, and sometimes you just have to decide which set of interests is more important in a particular case. Lawyers, in fact, refer to it as "balancing the interests".

Does that mean the result is always what I would like? Of course not. But as I'm sure your mother told you, nobody ever gets everything they want.

Joshua Jensen - what about Judaizers?

Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:54 am

So (@Eric the Edomite), what are the conditions under which a man gets access to the girl's locker room? Say he's a Judaizer who took Paul's advice to "cut it off" -- is he all right? Does he also have to think he's a woman? Shave his beard?

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