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Written by Douglas Wilson   
Monday, April 12, 2010 3:21 pm

The discussion about what constitutes governmental theft is most important -- because an awful lot of it is going on these days, and an awful lot of Christians do not appear to have the principles straight on how to identify it. The Scriptures are clear -- qualification to rule must include a hatred of covetousness. This is obviously because the rulers have guns (part of their job, right?) and if they don't hate covetousness, then the natural tendency will be to use their power to feed their lusts. So much is self-evident. If this is not recognized as a basic civic problem (rulers share in the depravity issues, remember), then it is time to return to basic Calvinism 101 stuff. If you can't see Calvin behind Madison, then you probably can't see Paul behind either one of them.

But what about the passage in Hebrews (Heb. 10:34) that says Christians joyfully accepted the confiscation of their property? A basic distinction has to be made here. Accepting the confiscation of your property is not the same thing as accepting the lies that the confiscators tell about what is happening. Every Christian is responsible to rejoice at all times, and in all things (Phil. 4:4). Every Christian is to give thanks for all things (Eph. 5:20). We are to be content in every circumstance (Phil. 4:11), even if that circumstance is that of having no food -- and this includes those occasions where we have no food because somebody stole it all. So, if the IRS comes in and takes all my stuff, I must thank the Lord. But, I might add, I am supposed to do the same thing if pirates take all my stuff also.

But rejoicing in God's sovereign control over all things does not mean that I have moral obligation to be blind to the existence of pirates. Nor does it mean that I cannot resist them, within the parameters that God has set for this kind of thing in His law. The same deal with thieving magistrates. I may resist them the way God says, and I may not resist them in ways contrary to His Word, and if my resistance is insufficient, and I lose, I must rejoice in God, He who does all things well.

Now what do we call it if the rulers are not godly, are not free from covetousness, and are running around the country with guns, taking people's stuff? What sin is it? It is not adultery. It is not making graven images. It is not dishonoring father and mother. To remove private property from someone's possession when you have no authorization from God to do so is theft. That is what theft is.

Murder is not taking a life. Murder is taking a life contrary to the revealed will of God. Rape is not defined as sexual intercourse. Rape is sexual intercourse that is contrary to the revealed will of God in a particular way. So theft is not the government removing property from someone who doesn't want them to. That is not the definition. Theft occurs when property is transferred from an unwilling "donor" without the express authorization of Scripture.

Put another way, I don't have to show that a sixty percent tax rate is theft, just like I don't have to show that the fire-bombing of Dresden was murder. The burden of proof lies elsewhere. If we understand the nature of man and the nature of coercion, and the subtlety of the serpent, and the greasy covetousness of rulers who do not fear God, the burden of proof is on the magistrate who supports such a proposal. He has to prove to us from the Bible that his exorbitant tax rates aren't theft. He is the one that God requires to hate covetousness, as a prerequisite of holding his office in justice.

And one quick comment about "redistribution." All tax monies that are gathered are redistributed to somebody. So in line with the principles above, that element is not what makes the process theft. The question is whether it is a scripturally authorized redistribution. If we are redistributing the money to the sheriff to catch bad guys, it is not theft. If it is so that some lazy bum with thirty-eight tattoos can cash in his Federal Plasma HD Television Voucher, it is theft. And in between those two clear examples, there is a line somewhere. At some point it has to become theft, right? If governments can steal, then there has to be a point where what they are doing would be stealing, right? That should be a simple point.

When we are close to the line, whereever that line is, the questions are more difficult, admittedly (which is why we need wise men as rulers, instead of our current cowards, thugs and punks). So let's have a civilized debate about things that are more problematic. But we are not going to be able to have a civilized debate about any of that unless we stop pretending that civil governments cannot break the tenets of the Decalogue, that they cannot legalize plunder. As we have done in this nation, some years back.

 

 



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David DeJong  - I basically agree...  Monday, April 12, 2010 3:57 pm
...with this post.

"Murder is taking a life contrary to the revealed will of God...Rape is sexual intercourse that is contrary to the revealed will of God in a particular way...Theft occurs when property is transferred from an unwilling 'donor' without the express authorization of Scripture."

The Regulative Principle of Theft? :)
David DeJong  Monday, April 12, 2010 3:59 pm
In case folks aren't sure what I'm getting at: I'm calling attention to the logical difference in the way Wilson defines rape and murder on the one hand, and theft on the other. For the former, we have: "Don't do what's contrary to God's will." For the latter, we have "Only do what is in explicit accordance with God's will." This is the sticking point.
Chevas Balloun  - Accessible Politics for a Christian  Monday, April 12, 2010 4:11 pm
I recently started subscribing to your RSS feed and I'm very happy with your biblical assessments of government policies. I usually hate "politics" and I find the subject boring and a chore. You make the discussion accessible and you are filling in gaps for me for someone who is trying to be a well informed believer. I just wanted to say thanks.
Brad Donovan  Monday, April 12, 2010 4:17 pm
Excellent post, sir. We need to start looking to find where the difference lies between plunder and propriety. Because there is a difference. Keep 'em coming.
Douglas Wilson  Monday, April 12, 2010 4:28 pm
David, I may have phrased it differently between the issues, but I hold to the same principle with theft as with murder and rape. I do hold to a "regulative principle" for civil authorities. If God doesn't tell them that they can regulate, take, or punish something, then they shouldn't. This is because coercion is a big deal.
Michael Duenes  - This stuff is great  Monday, April 12, 2010 5:27 pm
Thanks for all of this, Pastor Doug; it really is helping me think through these issues. I think you've really put your hand on it. What I seem to hear from other evangelicals is something to the effect of, "If you don't like how much the government is taking, then vote for other candidates." In fact, I've been told that I'm the covetous one for suggesting that our government is taking too much. And I'm supposed to just sit here and take it because "the majority of the country has wanted these government programs for a long time coming." It always sounded like a load to me, but I've never been able to articulate why as well as you have here. As Brad said, "Keep 'em coming."
David DeJong  - re:  Monday, April 12, 2010 6:34 pm
Douglas Wilson wrote:
David, I may have phrased it differently between the issues, but I hold to the same principle with theft as with murder and rape. I do hold to a "regulative principle" for civil authorities. If God doesn't tell them that they can regulate, take, or punish something, then they shouldn't. This is because coercion is a big deal.


Right. I think Joe pointed out a few posts back that the difference between us is not of essence, but of degree. I think we agree on the extremes.

That is, we agree that it is moral for a government to tax for the purpose of "bearing the sword," i.e. maintaining a lawful and just society.

We agree that it would be immoral (and theft) for President Obama to use the public dime to buy a personal estate in California.

It's the in-between stuff that's tricky. Is it immoral for a government to tax for roads? Welfare? Health care? Sewers? The reason I'm hesitant to condemn these in-between forms of taxation as theft is due to the fact that I don't interpret the description of the role of government in Rom 13:4 as exhaustive. That is, Scripture defines the basic function of government; it does not (necessarily) rule out other governmental activities. Those activities, as I've said, need to be evaluated in their own right.
Michael Duenes  - We might agree, but what if Congress doesn't?  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:28 am
David, We might agree that "it would be immoral (and theft) for President Obama to use the public dime to buy a personal estate in California," but what happens when our Congress passes legislation that cedes tax money so that a president can have a personal estate and justifies it by saying that it will help create jobs? Granted, that scenario is fictional, but there are many virtual parallels happening now and we're not calling it theft. Why not? Governments cannot simply pass laws to funnel tax dollars to whatever project they want and then call it moral. At some point it becomes theft, legal or illegal.
David DeJong  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:37 am
Well, that would be one way to guarantee Republican victory in 2012. In a democratic system, there are checks on power.

Now, as it happens, in a monarchy it is a little easier to get away with this stuff. The Great Pyramids of Egypt are basically monuments to governmental theft on an unprecedented scale.

What I'm interested in is, what is a "virtual parallel"? Who decides, and how do you decide? You can't just claim that welfare or health care is the same as Obama taking money for himself, you'd have to prove that.
David Henry  Monday, April 12, 2010 7:03 pm
Quote:
This is obviously because the rulers have guns


Not in the UK, they don't. :roll:
Chris Marr  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:53 am
That still leaves the question , however, of what to do if after honest reporting of your income and property the government gives you more than you deserve with regard to tax credits, Social Security benefits, etc. One could always give the money to the Bureau of the Public Debt but in present circumstances that seems a bit like giving cash to a wino. Should we not then treat it as mercy from God's deacon (even though we continue to vote for those who are not drunken with generosity) and then seek to be good stewards with it?
Anti-Federalist  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:04 am
The key point of Rom 13:4 is that the role Paul describes of government is directly tied to the sword God gives government. Rom 13 is also following Rom 12:19

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

No private citizen, especially not a Christian, should avenge themselves for God will have vengeance. Clearly, there will be vengeance at the last day, but God has placed his minister of vengeance, the government, to bear the sword here and now on earth. The civil government is the only body on earth that has the God given mandate to be His minister of vengeance on earth.

So in questions of Welfare, Healthcare, Sewers, etc, we have to ask ourselves, could a private company or charity do this job? If they can, then why do we see it necessary to use God's minister of vengeance to do a job that requires no use of vengeance and which other companies or charities are perfectly capable of doing? If the company of charity commits fraud while doing the job, then its the governments job to punish them, but that does not make it the governments job to step in and take over the job itself.
David DeJong  - re:  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:06 am
Anti-Federalist wrote:

So in questions of Welfare, Healthcare, Sewers, etc, we have to ask ourselves, could a private company or charity do this job? If they can, then why do we see it necessary to use God's minister of vengeance to do a job that requires no use of vengeance and which other companies or charities are perfectly capable of doing?


I don't think anyone is saying that it's necessary for the gov't to do these things, just that it's not necessarily wrong for the gov't to do them.

What about the FDA? CDC? NASA? Just to mention the acronyms that come immediately to mind. It's called a society; there are plenty of useful things that we the people authorize the government to do that go well beyond Rom 13:4.
Anti-Federalist  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:18 am
The FDA does have some legitimate role. For instance if someone claims they are selling beef, but are really selling dog then the FDA should be involved in that and punish those who commit the fraud. That fits Rom 13:4.

The CDC has a role in national security. Pandemics and deadly flu's can be national security threats.

NASA does have a lot of overlap with the Defense Dept. and is becoming more intertwined everyday.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10130563-76.html

To me, NASA being used for defense is for more productive than spending billions to search for aliens. Also, the moon race was a strategic part of the Cold War, which obviously involved national security.

Granted there are plenty of things that society can authorize gov't to do, but it is foolish to do so in areas that don't fit a Rom 13:4 description to some extent . I admit, it may be a stretch to say that every instance is a heinous sin, but if they line is so grey, then why push it?
Elizabeth  - This is so true  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:15 am
This is obviously because the rulers have guns (part of their job, right?) and if they don't hate covetousness, then the natural tendency will be to use their power to feed their lusts. So much is self-evident. If this is not recognized as a basic civic problem (rulers share in the depravity issues, remember), then it is time to return to basic Calvinism 101 stuff. If you can't see Calvin behind Madison, then you probably can't see Paul behind either one of them.
gullchasedship  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:14 am
It's easy to say that a government should have a hatred of covetousness based on the Proverbs. That's similar to stating that a parent who doesn't discipline a child will ruin the child.

But does it mean that the child of such a parent may dishonour them?

If a government is covetous, does that mean we no longer have to honour such a government or pay taxes?
Andrew Roggow  Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:39 am
David DeJong wrote:
What I'm interested in is, what is a "virtual parallel"? Who decides, and how do you decide? You can't just claim that welfare or health care is the same as Obama taking money for himself, you'd have to prove that.


David,

Who decides? - Both the voters and the magistrates. In our system of government, the burden of proof is on both, not just one or the other.

How do you (we) decide? - As Doug said, based on Scripture. Easier said than done, of course, but this is a simple answer to a simple question. When Scripture is used to evaluate the issues, the greyness of fog tends to dissipate in the light of truth. If the issues seem hard to differentiate, maybe more time in Scripture is in order.

Anti-Federalist already did a good job answering the last one. Why would anyone want those who have the sword of judgement to be given the responsibility of charity?

"It's called a society..." Your right, it is a society, and that means that every person and organization in society should have his/its proper role based on what he/it is ordained to do. Giving all the responsibilities to the most powerful person or organization in society is irresponsible. In Israel, why did God ordain the priests to do some things, the prophets to do others, and the judges/kings to do still others? Because there are roles for different people and groups to play! Not everything belongs under one big header.